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Please read important information at the end of this program. Recorded on 4/22/2025.
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Marci MacGregor
Head of Portfolio Strategy for the Chief Investment Office
Merrill and Bank of America Private Bank
Marci McGregor
Hello, I'm Marci McGregor. I'm here with Chris Hyzy, Chief Investment Officer for Merrill and Bank of America Private Bank. We know you have a lot of questions about the steep and ongoing volatility. I'll be asking Chris for his perspectives on markets, the economy and how investors can respond. So let's jump right in. Chris, thanks for joining me today.
Chris Hyzy
Thanks for having me, Marci.
Marci McGregor
So one of the biggest questions people are asking is when will this volatility end? When will markets find a little more stability? So let's start with what's your take? Have we passed the point of peak uncertainty? And what are you watching?
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Chris Hyzy
Chief Investment Officer
Merrill and Bank of America Private Bank
Chris Hyzy
Well, I think first we have to recognize that things are still very complex, very complicated overall. We really haven't passed a big milestone, except peak uncertainty. It is our belief we've passed peak uncertainty, which hit right around April 8th. So when the fear gauge, known as the VIX, from the Chicago Board of Options Exchange, as we know, hit over 60.
The ten-year yield started to go up pretty precipitously. There was some fear in the bond market, not just the equity markets. The currency markets, it all coalesced right around 3 or 4 days around that time frame. We just about hit bear market status in the S&P 500 as well. But the most important thing there is to remember that when fear is at its highest level, there's an unknown factor that continues on for a little while.
So from our perspective, we look at it in four phases. You have a reset phase. When something comes in, you have a deleveraging event. That's just a fancy way to simply say there was too much money in one corner of the market, not just the equity market, but also in the bond market. And there was also a movement out of that, at the same time.
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The Chief Investment Office Nine Stages of Market Uncertainty To Recovery
Reset Phase
- Unforeseen event unfolds quickly
- Repricing of risk
- Liquidity needs arise
Relief Phase
- Policy action takes place
- Significant relief rallies occur
Re-examine Phase
- Period of choppy trade
- Stable growth confirmation begins
Re-growth Phase
- The climb back environment unfolds
- A new normal builds
Source: Chief Investment Office as of April 11, 2025. CIO views are subject to change. FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY.
Chris Hyzy
When that happens, the fear gauge goes way up and you hit peak uncertainty. That's the reset phase. That's investors way of saying, I don't know about the future, but what I do know right now is it's completely uncertain. So you start to see a lot of the short-term speculators change their portfolios very quickly. And that's the proverbial statement, "Risk off."
And then second thing, after the reset phase, you go into a relief phase, which is okay. Things a little bit more calm, but not totally calm. And then we were at the end of that a little bit, and we're about to go into what we call the reexamine phase. And then, finally, it's the regrowth phase. So just to reset the reset phase, heightened uncertainty, peak uncertainty.
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The Chief Investment Office Nine Stages of Market Uncertainty To Recovery
Reset Phase
- Unforeseen event unfolds quickly
- Repricing of risk
- Liquidity needs arise
Relief Phase
- Policy action takes place
- Significant relief rallies occur
Re-examine Phase
- Period of choppy trade
- Stable growth confirmation begins
Re-growth Phase
- The climb back environment unfolds
- A new normal builds
Source: Chief Investment Office as of April 11, 2025. CIO views are subject to change. FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY.
We've passed that. The relief phase is right around now into the summer months. Reexamined. What kind of environment are we in? That's like the third, fourth quarter and regrowth phase in our opinion, is next year.
Marci McGregor
So we've passed peak uncertainty. I like to think of it as a fog, though, that's still lingering for us as investors. So, if we think about the U.S. economy, what are the prospects for the U.S. economy?
Chris Hyzy
Well, the economy, obviously, we think about it as an engine. It produces the growth and ultimately the corporation produces earnings growth and revenues off of that so-called flat line area or movement up, which is what we saw in 2024. If you step back a second, right now, it's very difficult to forecast the next 12 months. We have complete uncertainty still on the tariff front, but we also have uncertainty as it relates to how foreign investors view U.S. assets right now.
Chris Hyzy
You put those two equations together. We still feel like the U.S. can actually produce about 1.5% real growth for this year. The International Monetary Fund believes the globe can grow at about 2.8 or so, but we expect different forecasts to be fluid throughout the year. And then on an inflation front, a little bump up in inflation because of the tariffs before you start to come down because of a potential demand shock next year.
The good news is this: everything that we can see in terms of the consumer is stable. They're spending at the same clip as they traditionally do on a normal basis right now. The job market is still relatively healthy, and we're not seeing signs that the soft data sentiment is moving completely into the hard data, we'll be watching that very closely.
Marci McGregor
How long might stock and bond markets remain in this limbo period we're experiencing of heightened volatility?
Chris Hyzy
We have to look at what drove us down first which is the uncertainty, primarily, over tariffs. But we started to see a slowdown late last year in some of the bigger names that drove the massive outperformance of the S&P 500, and we need to see some of those earnings come back a little bit. We don't expect that until later in the year and into 2026.
But starting right now, this limbo period should last into the summer months. This is where, as we discussed earlier, the reset to relief, to reexamine, to regrowth. So you're still in that so-called relief to reexamine phase through the summer months and into the third quarter.
Marci McGregor
How should investors prepare for volatility to potentially continue? And maybe more importantly, how do we as investors prepare for a return to normalcy? The other side of this?
Chris Hyzy
Right. Well, they say volatility is the price you pay when you're investing in equities. It's the toll you pay. And over time volatility can be your friend. We'll get on that in just a second. But having a diversified portfolio, according to your risk profile, making sure you reset or reexamine your objectives. If it's long-term growth, understand how your portfolio can produce that.
So, for instance, equities it's a long duration asset. You need to see earnings and profits pull through over the long run because that's what drives returns over the long run. And if you have a long-term time horizon, having more equities than fixed income makes sense. And you rebalance during times of fear. So having a diversified portfolio, using equities for long-term growth, and potentially total return, if you're using dividends as well.
Marci McGregor
So in periods of volatility, I often say it's a time to take a step back as an investor, maybe get your shopping list ready. So what areas of equities and fixed income could potentially benefit from this period of volatility we're in?
Chris Hyzy
This is where it gets a little interesting. The markets, you know, as of this date are down about, on average, the S&P 500 is down about 10% or so. But the sliver of the market that drove the S&P over the last few years, the largest mega-cap technology names, some cases known as the Magnificent Seven, are down about 20%.
They have a big portion of the market and they're putting pressure down on it. But if you look at Europe, Europe's up about 21% according to the Euro Stoxx 50, which is one of the biggest outperformances we've ever seen, Europe relative to the U.S., half of which is coming from a weaker dollar. So when you think about that for a second, what are the areas that have been shielded from the biggest uncertainty, which has been tariffs and the potential risk of a recession, has been the non-U.S. markets, mostly because the dollar's been weak.
So we still have a neutral outlook on non-U.S. markets. So those are the areas that should have less volatility going forward. In the U.S., the areas that should have a relief rally over the course of the next summer, the summer months, particularly the areas that have been harmed the most, and that's areas of semiconductors, the mega, mega technology areas.
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Non-U.S. markets could experience less volatility in the coming months.
Chris Hyzy
And then the financials, those areas have also corrected a little bit too much as far as we're concerned. And those are the areas that we see can lead us out of this.
Marci McGregor
Thanks for these timely insights. Any closing thoughts you want to leave with our clients?
Chris Hyzy
You know we always say this, be as diversified as possible. Eyes on the road ahead. Oftentimes when you have the worst days, they're followed by the best days. If you're out of the market and you miss the best days of your return potential, significantly curtailed. All of that continues to this day. However, it's also important to step back and look at the fundamentals.
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Remember: stay diversified and stay disciplined.
Marci McGregor
And stay disciplined.
Chris Hyzy
Always stay disciplined.
Marci McGregor
Thanks for joining me today, Chris.
Chris Hyzy
Thanks, Marci
Marci McGregor
In times of steep volatility, the greatest challenge for investors, and the most important, may be to stay calm. Look past the daily noise and focus on your long-term goals. We hope this video has been helpful. If you work with an advisor, now may be a good time for a conversation. And check back here frequently. We'll keep you updated as markets and conditions evolve.
Thanks for watching.
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Watch the video above as Chris Hyzy, Chief Investment Officer for Merrill and Bank of America Private Bank, shares perspectives on these and other pressing issues with head of Portfolio Strategy, Marci McGregor.